Thursday, February 7, 2013

Positive Confession - The Source Is The Occult

This was posted as a link yesterday and I am concerned many did not see it. It is critical
understanding in our day when the occult is making huge inroads into the churches. Copy 
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This is from "Gospel For South Africa"

http://blog.gospelforwestafrica.com/?p=446

Editor: Positive Confession – Counterfeit Christianity

Posted by Editor on October 30, 2009
Worldwide, occultists share the same essential formula.  Reduced to its simplest elements, it can be summed up thusly:
 The mind of man through images creates reality by spoken words
which releases powers either positive or negative. 

This is at the core of occultist practices witnessed among Hindus, Buddhists, Sufi Muslins, Shamans, Native Doctors, Spiritualist Prophets, Mind-Science Cults, New-Age Channelers, and Positive Confession [PC].  Yes, and PC.
Despite its thin veneer of Christian sounding labels, at the heart of Positive Confession’s orientation and practices is traditional mainstream occultism.  By their leaders’ own admissions, one does not need to be a Christian at all in order to employ and profit by these techniques.
“They are simply formulas discovered to be universal spiritual law.  Even God Himself tapped into this power of creative imagery through the spoken word.  He was the acknowledged Grand Master of Positive Confession who most successfully had “faith in His faith.”  These are the occultist beliefs of Positive Confession which have been gleaned from dark sources.
The Lord specifically warns His people against being ensnared by these practices. The command is “that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, ‘How do these nations serve their gods, that I also may do likewise?’” -Deut 12:30.  Yet the adherents of PC have done so. They have been ensnared while following occultists’ techniques by which their gods are served.
“Why should the devil have all the benefits and blessings of this spiritual secret?” asks a Positive Confession leader.  The answer is clear.  He should have it because it is not of God.  It has not arisen from the Scriptures and is rejected by the living God.  And, in reality, it is of no benefit and blessing at all, but rather a lying deception.
In previous chapters it was shown that the terms positive and negative are not used even once in the Word of God.  Positive is not to be equated with good neither is negative with bad.  We do not “possess what we confess.”  In the final analysis, we must choose between submitting to the Word proceeding from the mouth of the Lord, or following our own word proceeding from our own mouth.
Real faith is trusting in God whose promise is contained in the Bible while obeying His commands therein.  Faith has nothing to do with visualizing and decreeing by our own words. Positive Confession distorts and denies “The Faith” which was once for all delivered to the saints and turns it into an occultist formulary.
Actually it eliminates the need for God entirely.  We merely need to go straight to the fount of all blessing – the law of Positive Confession – and confess what we will.  This is raw occultism.
If we are to pray aright it must be according to the will of God and not in the self-willed presumption of commanding our own decrees.  Confession is of our sin unto God, not of our words into reality.  Real prayer consists of humbly asking, not in arrogantly decreeing.
“Using” the name of Jesus as an incantation to insure obtaining what has been positively confessed, is nothing more than occult methodology.  It is taking the Lord’s name in vain and will be judged as such.  Prayer is no technique to get things from God or to tap into reservoirs of spiritual power.
Becoming gods was a lying promise of the devil which Positive Confession has embraced.  There are no gods in heaven or earth but that are lying vanities, things of nothing.  The words of men have no inherent power as do those of God Most High.
Positive Confession’s leaders have exalted themselves to the realm of godhood.  Their devotees flock to their feet hoping to attain to the same status with its attendant wealth.  Their spoken words of “faith” dictate their followers’ beliefs and actions.  This is the essence of idolatry; serving false gods according to deceptive promises.
Prosperity is a synonym for covetousness; and covetousness is idolatry.  It is what Positive Confession is made of and what is eagerly sought by all those longing after this root of all evil.  God and Mammon cannot both be served, contrary to their rationalizing practices of simony.
Healing, or any other blessing from God’s mercy, cannot be reduced to a formula of “law.”  Only small gods join in league with men on the principle of law to effect their wills upon earth.  The true and living God abides apart as the unrivaled Sovereign with unlimited dominion over all in heaven and earth.
Any other imagined god is not the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.  The one presented by Positive Confession is a figment, a powerless myth.  He is bound by law and the decrees of men.  He is impotent apart from man’s “‘faith.”  This god is no God at all and differs in no respect from the local deities enshrined by the heathen across the globe.
Pride stains the religion of Positive Confession a deep crimson which no amount of “confession” can purge.  And we know the God of heaven is opposed to the proud.  He is opposed to Positive Confession with its occultist roots and practices.
Positive Confession is a deceptively false system stemming from pride and lust for gain.  It has created an imaginary deity constrained by decrees of its co-regent gods on earth.
This is not Christianity.  It is another religion altogether.
Herein is the conclusion of the matter.  May the Lord have mercy on us.
[Editor: The preceding is a summary of the book: Positive Confession - Counterfeit Christianity which can be read in its entirety on the www.gospelforwestafrica.com website]

23 comments:

  1. I am really glad I came across this post. I found Jesus after a long winding spiritual journey (which included time spent in new age teachings) and I was really confused when I saw this positive confession stuff in Christianity (especially among charismatics). The scriptures that are given to defend it are: "You can have whatever you say"; "ask and it is given"; "If you believe, you will receive whatever you aks for"; and "as a man thinks in his heart, so he is." I'm not exactly sure how to rebut PC when these scriptures are given. I'm not even sure I understand the scriptures themselves. There's also that scripture about two people agreeing on anything in prayer and Jesus promising to do it. Any thoughts on this?

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    1. Praise the Lord for your giving your life to Jesus! You are greatly blessed to be out of the PC movement. I plan to work on your request this evening. The most important thing you can do is read the New Testament. How much you read may be based upon the time you have. Ask the Father for wisdom and under standing and for him to fill you with his Holy Spirit. Do not listen to teachers while you seek God in scriptures. God really will teach you. Make notes when you have questions, but do not seek out a teacher, as so many are teaching things that are not true, or teaching only things that tickle the ear. The Apostle Paul spent (I think) 3 years with the Lord. You also need to read the scriptures so you can no what is true. You will go through the New Testament before you know it. God will protect you, but look to Him. Ask him to lead you, when it is time, to a group that loves God and teaches the truth.

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  2. Thanks so much! God has been keeping me to Himself to teach me (I was born again a year and a half ago). It can get pretty confusing because there are so many teachings, but I just keep pressing in. Luckily, I was never part of the PC movement, I just came across it in my studies. Same with the new age. I never made a commitment with my heart. I just studied things until they didn't make sense anymore and then would move on to the next thing. Praise God that I eventually found Him (I found Jesus early on but it took nearly three years before I understood the gospel message– what sin is, how it came into being, why Jesus had to die, and what I needed to do to be saved). Anyway, now I spend most of my time in prayer and studying the Bible. I have experienced a lot of persecution and have been rejected and/or betrayed by most of my friends and family so I'm pretty exhausted much of the time. When I was saved, God started showing me people's true natures through dreams and revelations and it has been extremely frightening. At a certain point, people just started confessing to me the evil in their hearts (though not turning from it). Very, very scary.

    I look forward to reading your response to my previous post and pray that it will also bless others. Thanks again!

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    1. God's people have always been a peculiar people, especially those who desire to give themselves over to him completely. 2 Timothy 3 ISV, tells us:

      " 12Indeed, all who want to live a godly life in union with the Messiah Jesus will be persecuted. 13But evil people and impostors will go from bad to worse as they deceive others and are themselves deceived."

      I went through a period where I was sorrowful for everyone. I seemed to see the sorrow that was ahead for them. It made me so sad. I think I asked the Lord to remove it after a time, but there is still some of that which stays with me.

      Looking at Matthew 18: Let us look at the verse in context, using the ISV version. Let's think on what the message to us is and start the post again.

      15“If your brother sins against you, go and confront him while the two of you are alone. If he listens to you, you have won back your brother. 16But if he doesn’t listen, take one or two others with you so that ‘every word may be confirmed by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ 17If, however, he ignores them, tell it to the congregation. If he also ignores the congregation, regard him as an unbeliever and a tax collector.

      18“I tell all of you with certainty, whatever you prohibit on earth will have been prohibited in heaven, and whatever you permit on earth will have been permitted in heaven. 19Furthermore, I tell all of you with certainty that if two of you agree on earth about anything you request, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven, 20because where two or three have come together in my name, I am there among them.”

      21Then Peter came up and asked him, “Lord, how many times may my brother sin against me and I have to forgive him? Seven times?”

      22Jesus told him, “I tell you, not just seven times, but 77 times!t 23“That is why the kingdom from heaven may be compared to a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24When he had begun to settle the accounts, a person who owed him 10,000 talents was brought to him. 25Because he couldn’t pay, his master ordered him, his wife, his children, and everything that he owned to be sold so that payment could be made. 26Then the servant fell down and bowed low before him, saying, ‘Be patientith me, and I will repay you everything!’ 27The master of that servant had compassion and released him, canceling his debt.

      28“But when that servant went away, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii. He grabbed him, seized him by the throat, and said, ‘Pay what you owe!’ 29Then his fellow servant fell down and began begging him, ‘Be patient with me and I will repay you!’ 30But he refused and had him thrown into prison until he could repay the debt.

      31“When his fellow servants saw what had happened, they were very disturbed and went and reported to their master everything that had occurred. 32Then his master sent for him and told him, ‘You evil servant! I canceled that entire debt for you because you begged me. 33Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant, just as I had mercy on you?’ 34In anger his master handed him over to the jailers until he could repay the entire debt. 35This is how my heavenly Father will treat each one of you unless you forgive your brother from your hearts.”


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    2. Are you posting Matthew 18 in response to my first comment or my second?

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    3. Sorry for the delay! My email went down as a result of changing servers. My response was regarding false teachers which butcher 2 Timothy 3, specifically verses 18, 19 & 20. I wanted us to look at the text before and after these verses, then discuss what we see.

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  3. 2 Timothy 3 was in response to my second post about persecution and Matthew 18 was in response to my first post about the false teachings (and specifically the last verse I quoted), correct?

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  4. I thought the different verses were regarding Matthew 18:18. I have had a lot of difficulty with our changing our email servers and dealing with Google. Sorry for the delays.
    Mark 11:24
    "20While they were walking along early the next morning, they saw the fig tree dried up to its roots. 21Remembering what Jesus had said,l Peter pointed out to him, “Rabbi, look! The fig tree you cursed has dried up!”

    22Jesus told his disciples, “Have faith in God! 23I tell all of you with certainty, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ if he doesn’t doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. 24That is why I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it and it will be yours.

    25“Whenever you stand up to pray, forgive whatever you have against anyone, so that your Father in heaven will forgive your sins. 26But if you do not forgive, your Father in heaven will not forgive your sins".

    Jesus was talking to his disciples only.

    Luke 11:9
    "9So I say to you: Keep asking, and it will be given you. Keep searching, and you will find. Keep knocking, and the door will be opened for you, 10because everyone who keeps asking will receive, and the person who keeps searching will find, and the person who keeps knocking will have the door opened."

    We have to look at this verse in light of 'you will find me when you seek me with your whole heart". This is not a blanket formula for our desires, but will occur when we are aligned with God's will and his timing.

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  5. Are you talking about Proverbs 23?

    7For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee.

    This simply means that the state of ones heart, defines who he is. We cannot serve two masters at the same time. We are to crucify our old nature and not let it rule over us. If we do, we need to confess/repent quickly and turn from that.

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  6. I read over the verses and thought they were all about the same thing. I apologize. Your statement was "There's also that scripture about two people agreeing on anything in prayer and Jesus promising to do it. Any thoughts on this?" That was what I addressed in Matthew 18.

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  7. The only one I didn't understand was 2 Timothy 3 in terms of my original question about positive confession (it seemed to have more to do with my second post in which I described my persecution).

    I still have a particularly hard time with Mark 11. It really does seem to say that anyone who follows Jesus can simply believe and receive (which is also echoed in "ask and it shall be given to you... For every one that asketh, receiveth").

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  8. James 4 sheds some light on Mark 11:24, which we know is true. There are conditions that have to take place in a person's life before they can claim Mark 11:24. We have to be walking with the Lord in harmony.

    James 4:

    1Where do those fights and quarrels among you come from? They come from your selfish desires that are at war in your bodies, don’t they? 2You want something but do not get it, so you commit murder. You covet something but cannot obtain it, so you quarrel and fight. *****You do not get things because you do not ask for them! 3You ask for something but do not get it because you ask for it for the wrong reason—for your own pleasure.****

    4You adulterers! Don’t you know that friendship with the world means hostility with God? So whoever wants to be a friend of this world is an enemy of God. 5Or do you think the Scripture means nothing when it says that the Spirit that God caused to live in us jealously yearns for us? 6But he gives all the more grace. And so he says,

    “God opposes the arrogant
    but gives grace to the humble.”

    7Therefore, submit yourselves to God. Resist the devil, and he will run away from you. 8Come close to God, and he will come close to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9Be miserable, mourn, and cry. Let your laughter be turned into mourning, and your joy into gloom. 10Humble yourselves in the Lord’s presence, and he will exalt you.

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  9. Matthew 20 shows that Jesus is not able to grant the two disciples to sit on each side of him when he comes into his kingdom.

    20Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons came to Jesus with her sons. She bowed down in front of him to ask him for a favor. 21He asked her, “What do you want?”

    She told him, “Promise that in your kingdom these two sons of mine will sit on your right and on your left.”

    22Jesus replied, “You don’t realize what you’re asking. Can you drink from the cup that I’m going to drink from?r

    They told him, “We can.”

    23He told them, “You will indeed drink from my cup. But it’s not up to me to grant you a seat at my right hand or at my left. These positions have already been prepared for others by my Father.”

    This is important as it shows that we cannot take one statement and build doctrine on it. That is one of the reasons there is so much error.

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    1. Even Jesus did not receive every thing he asked for. When he plead with the Father to take the cup from him, the Father remained silent and did not grant his request. Paul asked 3 times to have the thorn in his side taken away. Paul was ship wrecked, stoned, cold, hungry, etc, but we can be sure that Paul was making his requests known to the Father and The Son!

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    2. Yes. Those scriptures also come to mind when I think about this issue and they indeed show that God's will is above all.

      It is not easy to rightly divide the word of truth, especially with all the deception that is out there.

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    3. We humble ourselves before the Lord, stay in the scriptures, and ask the Father to fill us with his Holy Spirit. We crucify our old natures and live in Christ. He is the vine we are his branches. He speaks of us abiding in him, the vine. That is our responsibility. If we abide in Christ, everything else will be OK. We will naturally have good fruit. Yet....we still stay on guard for our old nature, the world, and the wicked one. The Lord bless you!

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  10. Oh and yes I was referring to Proverbs and I looked it up myself before I saw your post and came to the same conclusion.

    This whole positive confession issue really boils down to the fact that man doesn't want God to be God. Many wants to be God. Scary. Can you imagine if man were God? This planet wouldn't have lasted very long at all. There was a reason for the flood!

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    1. Amen!! I tried playing God when I was much younger. Now I don't want to leave his side. What has been will be, there is nothing new under the sun. We are finding ourselves in the days of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah. This earth will once more suffer and experience the Day of the Lord, his wrath. We are are not appointed to wrath. We are commanded to not be afraid. Isn't that interesting? But Jesus has told us "the person that believes in me will never die". Is that cool or what?!

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    2. Wow, just started watching this video this morning and it says exactly the thing about man wanting to be God:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yojhJYu3v9k

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    3. Thank you!! I posted it on my blog today.

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  11. The other issue that I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on is forgiveness, particularly in the case of an unrepentant person. Maybe you could write a post on Biblical forgiveness.

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  12. Your words to me, led to a wonderful experience from the Lord with my best friend, Billy Grate, who is a pastor in a small town south of Dallas, Texas. I was driving across town and glanced at your post. I began to meditate on forgiveness and asked the Lord for some questions I had about forgiveness.

    After about 10 minutes, I called Billy and started a conversation. When I stopped, Billy began to talk about forgiveness and for several minutes I silently listened and praised God as Billy spoke and addressed my questions. He had no clue, until he finished speaking and I told him. The Holy Spirit was with us. The Lord has shown himself to us countless times and in so many ways! I may write about forgiveness as you suggested. Thank you!!

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    1. Wow! I really hope you do write it. I have had so many problems with unrepentant unbelievers (mostly family members). It's really hard to know what to do (the whole forgiveness versus reconciliation thing, as well as the mandate to not be unequally yoked).

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